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Firefighter: PFD considering EMS service
Dec 03, 2011 | 2347 views | 10 10 comments | 8 8 recommendations | email to a friend | print

By FRANK LEWIS

PDT Staff Writer

While Portsmouth Fire Chief Bill Raison was working on a business plan to add EMS services to the Portsmouth Fire Department, firefighters union president Tony Hamilton brought the issue up first at Monday’s City Council meeting.

“There has been discussions for quite some time on this matter that the fire department wished to venture into. In fact, if not mistaken, it seems to me that it first surfaced back when Bob Storey was chief,” Portsmouth Mayor David Malone said. “I know for a fact that the idea first originated with former Mayor Jim Kalb . The department has done extensive research to ascertain the viability and sustainability of the operation. I believe they are continuing to look at the possibility of performing such operation.”

Malone told Council the Fire Department has purchased a nearly new unit in June or July for $2,000 and the funds came out of the donations received from the Eagles, so the general fund has not yet absorbed any cost for equipment, research or any miscellaneous items in the process, nor is it included in the budget for 2012.

“It is not the intent of the department to engage in any procedures toward implementing this operation without presentation to and approval from Council,” Malone said. “Mr. Hamilton’s attendance and address to Council on Monday was a ploy to push the chief to move this idea forward (as believed by the chief). It is not the chief’s desire nor intent to move forward with this anytime soon. As for the employees to perform the duties require(d), I believe the Chief mentioned that the majority of the firefighters already are trained to perform the basic EMT duties and any future hires will be trained prior to hire. I am positive the chief will present to Council a business plan with all pertinent information should he feel that this is something we can move forward with.”

The email drew a response from First Ward Councilman Kevin Johnson.

“I value ‘thinking outside the box,’ Mr. Mayor. And this may be an instance where such thinking is not only beneficial to the public but also to the vision of what type of city we see Portsmouth being in the future,” Johnson responded. “Though unable to speak on behalf of other members of Council, I believe a number of my fellow members join me in being concerned for the process utilized to purchase a currently non-performing asset; a nearly-new ambulance. When Council votes to accept donations it is with the understanding, especially in times of fiscal crisis, that the monies are deposited into a City-managed account and would be utilized by the recipient department for necessary needs that may have been under-funded or un-funded due to fiscal necessity; thus relieving pressure on the General Fund.”

Johnson went on to say - “That there were no other pressing needs in the department is, to me, indicative of the department’s belief that our fiscal crisis does not affect them. Though I look forward to receiving further information from the Fire Department regarding this EMS project (business plan, P&L etc), I believe it will be incumbent upon members of Council to question how any future donations will be utilized by the recipient department in the future.”

“Everybody knows now we are exploring the possibility, and have been for nearly a year,” Raison said Friday afternoon. “We’re exploring the possibility because we believe that it is the best model for the city of Portsmouth as far as public safety is concerned. A lot of guys in my department have put in a lot of work on it. I’ve got guys in my department who firmly believe this is what we should do. They have invested a great deal of their time and energy into working on this proposal.”

Raison said most full-time paid fire departments already offer EMS services.

“Some of our guys say we’re a dinosaur when it comes to strictly fire and rescue services only,” Raison said. “We are the exception and not the rule.”

Raison said the reason he has not brought the idea before Council is because his department is still working on putting together a good solid basis for what they are going to do, and because there is a lot of pressing business before City Council right now.



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Alongwayfromhome
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December 06, 2011
Of course many folks will point to the fact that there are currently three private ambulance services currently in operation in Portsmouth. Ask them where their profits are made. It is NOT rescues and emergency calls. Even IF the city billed for transporting a patient, which nearly all gvot based FD/EMS operations do, the returns are minimal. Private services thrive on doctor's appointments, nursing home transports and the like. In order to be sustainable is the PFD willing to go that far with this? Contract with one of the services already in operation for a percentage but the city is in too much trouble to start a venture like this now. Great idea, wrong timming. This was actually brought up with Mayor Gerlach by a very well respected Portsmouth surgeon and a Parammedic back in the mid 90's and was shot down in five minutes ... And days were better then!
HighwayPatrol
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December 07, 2011
The idea was brought up before Franklin to consider. But Frank Gerlach did not like to be told, We already appointed people to be over it and run it and make decisions. It should be solely a city ran project among the mayor and the council and the voters. I would have shot it down also.
tellthetruthwontyou
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December 06, 2011
Lets see, we bought a Martings building for 2 million dollars then after the taxpayers bought it via the city council, as an emergency, they found out later it was only worth $400,000.

Then they bought the Adelphia building, its rotting to the ground.

But before those 2, they bought the AEP building, then only did they find out, shucks its to small for what we need.

Fire Department had to close the Hilltop station down, but only after the tax levy passes, do they find some encumbered / unuses funds to open it back up.

Oh they also want a 12% pay increase. Dont care about you are struggling to pay your bills, but willing to vote for an income tax increase to open the fire station up, that should have never been closed, but when you vote for the tax increase and havent had a 1% increase in your pay in 10 years, they want a 12% increase instantly.

But the taxpayers , who cant afford a membership at the Mercy Life Center pay for a FREE membership year for the firemen, when they have their own equiptment at the fire station.

Please raise my water and sewer bill some more, 7 increases in the last 5 years is way not enough, I feel I should pay more.

Please dont patch holes in the streets, but buy the auditors office new cars and give that office and others pay increases, while the people who are paying the increases / the taxpayers struggle.

What is this city doing to recruit industry ?

Name me 1 Industry this city has recruited since 1990 ? ZERO
LookDeeper
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December 05, 2011
"Remove the minimum staffing levels from the City Charter. that has absolutely 100% nothing to do with minimum staffing level talks."

"Perhaps" the Reverse is needed...

Change the City Charter to list a revised MAXIMUM staffing level number. That would LEGALLY circumvent any Collective Bargaining Staffing Level talks from negotiating since the City Charter is the Will of the People and cannot be overruled by a public official (or collective bargaining unit).

HighwayPatrol
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December 05, 2011
Years ago when my uncle was asst. fire chief at central station, Lowell Burns, they had a rescue squad manned with paramedics. Who funded that operation and why was it discontinued? Now they want to bring it back. Which I am for it IF it is going to be ran on donations. But I wish some one could answer my questions above. Thank you....
JohnSmith201056
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December 04, 2011
A couple questions come to mind.

If approved, will this service be free to city residents?

Will this service only be provided to legitimate emergency situations or will it be another "free ride" to the "frequent fliers" that continuously abuse the emergency room and other services to obtain drugs or get free treatment for common health problems that should be treated in private doctor offices?

lunaticfringe
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December 03, 2011
Isn't it the Mayor's responsibility, in cooperation with the PFD, to investigate and propose a new EMS service to City Council? In this article the Mayor offered no thoughts or a clear understanding of this service. He needs to get involved and thoroughly educate himself about what it will take to provide this service at a level the citizens deserve. The Mayor might start by speaking with other communities of similar size to Portsmouth that offer an EMS service.

After reading this article several questions come to mind.

1. A new, "basic" life support ambulance can cost upwards of around $60,000. It makes you wonder about the quality of the ambulance the PFD bought for $2,000. And why did PFD purchase an ambulance when an EMS service doesn't exist? It seems like a waste of $2,000.

2. Are the "majority of firefighters" really trained to provide EMS services? Ohio Revised Code 4765.16 clearly outlines medical services training requirements for EMS first responders. After reading, I think not.

3. How much will the city's liability insurance increase? Will some sort of malpractice insurance be required and at what cost?

4. How many new employees will be needed for medical billing and coding?

The Mayor needs to investigate EMS services in other communities and get a real understanding of the liability, procedures, training, staffing, and cost.

If the Mayor doesn't educate himself and City Council about EMS services, and relies only on what he is spoon fed by the PFD, he will be doing a tremendous disservice to the citizens of Portsmouth.
HighwayPatrol
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December 06, 2011
I am with lunaticfringe in the first of the four responces listed. I know they said donations bought this. They said it's nearly new. $2000 was paid for it. I don't know what model they bought here. I did check the pricing on some used ones. a 1993 type 2 was $2000 it was used as a back up, that 18 soon to be 19 years old. The prices soared on up to a used 2010 selling at a reduced price $159,600. This person has asked a valid question as to the ability and what's available on board for a nearly new at this low cost. You would think private companies would want to get in on deals like this IF it is so great. Not knocking it, would just like to know more info. on it. Thanks.
LookDeeper
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December 03, 2011
It should NOT be up to the fire department to instigate and explore this idea.

It should ONLY come from the desire of the tax paying voting citizens of Portmouth Ohio.

Remove the minimum staffing levels from the City Charter. that has absolutely 100% nothing to do with minimum staffing level talks.
lifelongtaxpayer
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December 03, 2011
You have to be kidding!

Of course the PFD wants another taxpayer funded operation. Let's hire more people, buy more equipment, pay more overtime, buy another building to house them, and then claim we need more tax money to fund it all. The gall of these public "servants" knows no bounds, but they have no clue. They see taxpayers as a source of endless money to give to them and their "wants". They have no shame, either. They scared the gullible part of our community into believing that their houses would burn down and they would be crime victims if the tax issue failed, BUT all those threats would go away if we only gave them more money.

Portsmouth is broke and shrinking in population, but the PFD should start an EMS service. RIIIIIGGGHHTTT!
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